it's interesting, we got one piece of news from paul ryan, of course, the vice presidental candidate with mitt romney and the head of the house budget committee an says the fight to have, and the hostage not to take is over the debt ceiling. because obviously if you go -- if you default, if you go over the debt ceiling and there is some technicality whether it's really a default or not, but it would certainly tank the economy and hurt our credit rating and raise interest rates. what ryan is suggesting is you just delay, you extend the debt ceiling for a few months and then you have the night oversee questions tracing, because there's already a hundred billion dollars in spending cuts that's baked in the cake that will take effect on march 1st. that's the point at which you say to the president if you're the republicans, look, we can either go with that hundred billion dolla dollar cut or work something else but we're going to cut a lot of money out of the budget. bill: can that idea move forward do you think. >> it makes a lot more sense. the republicans have a lot more leverage ther